1 00:00:53,467 --> 00:00:55,367 [theme music playing] 2 00:00:58,767 --> 00:00:59,867 [man 1 speaking] 3 00:00:59,867 --> 00:01:00,934 [man 2 speaking] 4 00:01:01,767 --> 00:01:03,600 [man 3 speaking] 5 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:07,767 [man 4] The thing inside of me is like... the appetite. 6 00:01:07,767 --> 00:01:09,233 It's like a wolf that's... 7 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,233 feeling... 8 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:14,266 the hunger. 9 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,133 [doorbell rings] 10 00:01:42,100 --> 00:01:44,266 [Saunders sobbing] 11 00:02:51,867 --> 00:02:53,700 [Dr. Sahni] When Gavin's talking to the police, 12 00:02:53,700 --> 00:02:57,867 he never asks about the wellbeing or welfare of his family. 13 00:02:57,867 --> 00:03:00,667 He's trying to present himself as a nice kid, 14 00:03:00,667 --> 00:03:03,266 somebody who wants to help them in whatever way is possible, 15 00:03:03,266 --> 00:03:05,100 that he's going to be cooperative. 16 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:07,867 And really, what those are are his superficial 17 00:03:07,867 --> 00:03:11,233 and somewhat elementary attempts at manipulating them. 18 00:03:50,967 --> 00:03:53,266 [Walker starts sobbing] 19 00:03:59,166 --> 00:04:01,233 [Walker crying] 20 00:04:04,367 --> 00:04:06,700 [Walker sobbing] 21 00:04:06,700 --> 00:04:08,233 [Walker sniffs] 22 00:04:38,166 --> 00:04:41,100 [Dr. Sahni] As Rebecca becomes more emotional, 23 00:04:41,100 --> 00:04:44,667 and starts to talk more directly to her father, 24 00:04:44,667 --> 00:04:48,000 what we learn is that she's a teenager who's struggling. 25 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,400 She's lonely, she's depressed, 26 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,100 and Rebecca is clinging to this relationship, 27 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:59,800 because in her mind and in her teenage perspective on the world, Gavin's it. 28 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,100 [Dr. Bardey] What's amazing is that something absolutely horrible has happened, 29 00:05:04,100 --> 00:05:06,667 people have been brutally murdered, 30 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:11,166 and her takeaway is that it's all about her. 31 00:05:11,166 --> 00:05:13,200 You guys did not make me feel special. 32 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,700 He made me feel special. 33 00:05:14,700 --> 00:05:18,500 And there we begin to see the Romeo and Juliet 34 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:20,433 story start to come together. 35 00:05:32,767 --> 00:05:34,567 [Walker sobbing] 36 00:05:41,467 --> 00:05:43,066 [Walker moans] 37 00:06:17,700 --> 00:06:21,700 We get introduced to Smith and we find out a few things about him. 38 00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:25,000 Obviously, he has some sort of speech impediment. 39 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,266 Which in and of itself doesn't necessarily mean anything 40 00:06:28,266 --> 00:06:30,900 in terms of his intellectual or cognitive functioning, 41 00:06:30,900 --> 00:06:35,300 but can have significant repercussions in terms of his social life, 42 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:38,967 in terms of how he was treated by fellow classmates. 43 00:06:38,967 --> 00:06:42,667 [Dr. Sahni] And when he's asked about the people in his family, 44 00:06:42,667 --> 00:06:45,000 he talks about them in the third person. 45 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,700 This is the baby, this is the stepfather, 46 00:06:47,700 --> 00:06:50,667 and this is the mother, as if he's talking about a story. 47 00:06:50,667 --> 00:06:54,400 Something outside his own family. There's no real attachment. 48 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,934 There's just no emotion coming from this teenager. 49 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,567 [Dr. Bardey] The detective is very clever. 50 00:07:07,567 --> 00:07:11,266 He says, "Some of your family members are dead." 51 00:07:11,266 --> 00:07:17,166 He doesn't say all. We never hear Smith say, "Who? 52 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:19,700 Who's dead? Who's alive?" 53 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:23,166 He doesn't ask any of those questions, which is very odd. 54 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,734 Not so odd if he knows the answer. 55 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,767 [Dr. Bardey] He's not answering the question at all. 56 00:07:56,767 --> 00:08:02,100 He's frontloading his answer with excuses to try to justify what he's done. 57 00:08:02,100 --> 00:08:05,166 So that right there shows calculated thinking. 58 00:08:05,166 --> 00:08:07,667 He's thinking to try to reduce his culpability, 59 00:08:07,667 --> 00:08:10,967 and that's very psychopathic. 60 00:08:28,266 --> 00:08:32,066 [Dr. Sahni] Despite the fact that he knows his stepfather and mother and brothers 61 00:08:32,066 --> 00:08:33,900 have been dead for this period of time, 62 00:08:33,900 --> 00:08:37,600 he's saying that for the past two days his stepfather has tried to kill him. 63 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,166 He points to a place where he was sliced on his arm, 64 00:08:40,166 --> 00:08:42,567 and there's no real wound there. 65 00:08:42,567 --> 00:08:44,900 Gavin is not worried about fact-checking. 66 00:08:44,900 --> 00:08:47,867 He's not worried about the credibility of what he's saying. 67 00:08:47,867 --> 00:08:49,867 Some of that we see in teenagers in general, 68 00:08:49,867 --> 00:08:52,100 they kind of engage in this magical thinking. 69 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:56,100 But some of this is also consistent with what we see in psychopathic individuals 70 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,667 who compulsively or pathologically lie. 71 00:10:24,100 --> 00:10:26,400 [Dr. Bardey] What the teacher describes here, 72 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:32,166 is really cements the fact that Smith was marginalized. 73 00:10:32,166 --> 00:10:35,667 He didn't like going to school because I'm sure school was a difficult place. 74 00:10:35,667 --> 00:10:39,700 His speech impediment set him up to be the target of horrific bullying. 75 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:42,600 So that again is fueling this anger. 76 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,200 Now, this profile that's coming out of this picture, 77 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,800 begins to look like the profile of a school shooter. 78 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,867 Of someone who, at some point, is going to snap, 79 00:10:52,867 --> 00:10:55,667 and want retribution against everyone, 80 00:10:55,667 --> 00:10:58,433 for all the harm he feels he's suffered. 81 00:11:28,300 --> 00:11:30,500 [Dr. Rosenberg] The big thing that stands out to me 82 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:35,667 is that she describes Walker as a boy-obsessed individual. 83 00:11:35,667 --> 00:11:39,800 And it seems like Walker's self-esteem, 84 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,500 self-identity and self-worth, 85 00:11:42,500 --> 00:11:47,567 were very tied to a man's perception of her 86 00:11:47,567 --> 00:11:51,533 or whether or not she had a romantic partner. 87 00:13:17,867 --> 00:13:21,400 When Smith talks about how he killed his entire family, 88 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:26,800 he does it as though he was describing what he had for breakfast. 89 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:31,767 It's completely devoid of any of the associated emotions that you would expect. 90 00:13:31,767 --> 00:13:34,000 [Dr. Sahni] And when we think about psychopathic individuals 91 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,900 oftentimes there's a lack of remorse. There's a lack of guilt. 92 00:13:36,900 --> 00:13:40,367 There's a willingness to just blame others. 93 00:13:40,367 --> 00:13:44,266 To stay superficial in their emotions and their attachment. 94 00:14:07,667 --> 00:14:09,567 That Gavin Smith just kind of rolls over, 95 00:14:09,567 --> 00:14:11,500 and he flip-flops on his story, 96 00:14:11,500 --> 00:14:13,867 and pretty immediately says, "I got mixed up. 97 00:14:13,867 --> 00:14:15,600 I was the one that did all of this." 98 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,700 There was nothing that Gavin Smith got mixed up about. 99 00:14:18,700 --> 00:14:21,000 He was quite clear and focused. 100 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,467 And so much so that he shot three of the family members 101 00:14:24,467 --> 00:14:26,600 in the head, point-blank, 102 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,266 and then went to his baby brother's room, 103 00:14:29,266 --> 00:14:31,667 slit his throat and then shot him in the head. 104 00:15:33,567 --> 00:15:36,367 [Dr. Bardey] This clip is incredibly disturbing in terms of 105 00:15:36,367 --> 00:15:40,867 showing us a glimpse of Rebecca Walker's mindset. 106 00:15:40,867 --> 00:15:45,200 She saw his hand on the gun as this was happening, 107 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,367 and yet did nothing to intervene. 108 00:15:48,367 --> 00:15:51,767 So, why... why would that be? 109 00:15:51,767 --> 00:15:54,767 Is she so frightened? It didn't seem that way. 110 00:15:54,767 --> 00:15:56,867 Could she have gone to the police? Of course. 111 00:15:56,867 --> 00:15:59,800 Could she have told her grandmother? Absolutely. 112 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,567 But she tells you why at the end of the clip. 113 00:16:02,567 --> 00:16:06,467 Because she wanted him to be with her. 114 00:16:06,467 --> 00:16:09,166 And what greater power there is, 115 00:16:09,166 --> 00:16:11,767 than to know that someone killed for you. 116 00:16:11,767 --> 00:16:16,634 So clearly now Romeo and Juliet have become Bonnie and Clyde. 117 00:17:18,266 --> 00:17:20,900 She not only knew about it, but she encouraged him 118 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:23,667 to kill every member of his family. 119 00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:27,567 So we get a very, very disturbing picture of a young woman 120 00:17:27,567 --> 00:17:31,900 who feels that it's so important for her to be loved 121 00:17:31,900 --> 00:17:37,867 that she's willing to be complicit in multiple murders in order to prove that. 122 00:17:37,867 --> 00:17:41,000 Maybe she even, kind of, weaponized it. 123 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Maybe she was able to push him over the edge 124 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,867 to do what she needed for her own self-esteem. 125 00:17:47,867 --> 00:17:50,000 He had nothing left. 126 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,100 And yet she had all of him. And that's all she wanted. 127 00:17:53,100 --> 00:17:56,900 And that kind of thought process, 128 00:17:56,900 --> 00:18:00,100 can only be described as psychopathic. 129 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,767 [Dr. Sahni] What's really important to realize here, 130 00:18:52,767 --> 00:18:56,066 is in Walker's own interrogation, 131 00:18:56,066 --> 00:18:58,000 she's not showing any emotions. 132 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,400 She's not showing any concern for all these people 133 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,166 that have lost their lives senselessly. 134 00:19:03,166 --> 00:19:05,767 [Dr. Bardey] If the two really wanted to be together, 135 00:19:05,767 --> 00:19:07,367 they could have run off together. 136 00:19:07,367 --> 00:19:10,367 No one had to die for the two of them to be together. 137 00:19:10,367 --> 00:19:17,100 So the motivation was not that his family needed to die for them to be together. 138 00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:20,867 The motivation was, his family had to die for her to be happy. 139 00:19:21,467 --> 00:19:23,100 And that's really chilling. 140 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:27,467 And that really paints a picture of Rebecca Walker, 141 00:19:27,467 --> 00:19:30,133 as the bigger psychopath of the two. 142 00:19:51,166 --> 00:19:53,667 [TV announcer] The jury showing graphic and disturbing photos 143 00:19:53,667 --> 00:19:55,500 from inside the family's home. 144 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:58,600 Smith occasionally glanced up at the photos, 145 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,967 but showed no emotions as they were on display. 146 00:20:01,967 --> 00:20:04,967 You murdered your entire family in cold blood, Mr. Smith. 147 00:20:04,967 --> 00:20:07,500 I find that you have zero remorse for your actions. 148 00:20:07,500 --> 00:20:10,367 Your actions can only be described as an act of pure evil.